Hey malcanis this one is just for you;

The argumente of the gays has nothing to do with this conversation, way to use false cause hmmm?
here's to avoid falacy's for your enjoyment:
http://i.imgur.com/aEhOy.jpg?1.

You know this is hardly true.

Oh cool. More real life threats. You're a real peach aren't you.

...
On a positive note we discovered just how much Sohkar hates African Americans. He has very strong opinions in that Teamspeak recording. A man of conviction!

And tell me, was it at any point non-consensual? No?

Then stop using sexual assault as the measuring stick with which you compare with. You cheapen actual victims across the world with your moral equivications

In the same effect, E1 could of just said "HA, we have your isk. Have a nice night." And it all would of been avoided.

Then why didn't he leave the conversation?

E1 did nothing against the EULA.

http://jestertrek.blogspot.ca/2012/03/hats.html

Ripard Teg ladies and gentlemen.

Lets ban a guy for scamming, but hey Mittens should be ok as a CSM for telling a kid to literally kill himself.

SLOW CLAP Ripard SLOW CLAP.

Apologist much.

Hey guys its ok to stand up on a panel at EVE FEST broadcast around the world, and tell a kid to kill himself, as long as you apologize.

But a POX be upon you if you "A known Scammer" Scam someone via TS3.

Oh yeah, being one of very few profitable companies in Iceland they can just go **** it all up and go home.


Hahahah some of you seriously need to stop hiding and simply state you are E1 cause as stupid as people can be there are limits even in this matter.

You're **** E1. Stop trying to change subject with such desperation.

This sums up my position nicely.

I can imagine the news report.

"Disgruntled EVE player visits violence upon innocent fangoers after being scammed out of virtual assets which he did not legally own."

I can't see him being banned. Precisely because the damage of the confidence that CCP's customers have in them would be far, far worse for the company than anything Erotica has ever done or could do.

As to the rest of your post. I am sorry you are so angry mrs. sokhar, but I really didn't have anything to do with what happened to your husband. When you talk to him though, tell him I think he should apologize for the racist comments and death threats. That was way over the line if you ask me.

As long as he doesn't get drunk and utter death threats

Yes goonsire, I agree my posting is terrible and I am a horrible pubbie.

Snitches get stitches

Why if Erotica 1 gets assaulted then he can get some real world isk out of the exchange as well. Its funny how ACTUAL breaking of laws works.

So you are saying that this man will commit murder?

So you are saying that this man will commit murder?

As you should.

Please be civil guys. Calling people autistic and such is not nice. Some of my best friends are autistic, gay, minorities, etc. I am not joking, this is not some troll. These allegedly white knight carebears here, on minerbumping, and everywhere seem to be some of the most hateful people I have ever run into in my life. Most of the scammers, pirates, corp thieves, etc, meanwhile are gentlemen.

It seems that people like to come to EVE to be the opposite of what they are outside of game quite often.

Says a corp mate of Digi. How rich.

actually its just scamming, theres no invasion of privacy at all, theres no reason to answer honestly, hell you dont even have to do this you can leave whenever you want. you chose to stay and make a fool of yourself

http://themittani.com/features/alod-go-back-wow

Should we also ban the people behind this?

Can somebody please remind me how many times Sohkar left the Bonus Room....only to return?




And this question would be directed to those who actually listened to the recording in its entirety...not the sheeple who just read the blog and are therefore experts in this situation....

Cyberbullying is a thing for sure, but this isn't it. For one, it is extremely difficult to walk away from most cyberbullying, as its typically carried out by real-life acquaintances, and thus it is easy to pursue the victim across various media platforms. Unlike this situation, which was a single event between complete strangers with more than adequate tools to end any and all contact from the other party.

Literally exactly this could be said about blowing up ships in EVE.

I liked the part where you are willing to lie to law enforcement and waste their time and money, and somehow you still think you have the moral high-ground.

Once again, please quote the offending post in full, so that I can retort in full without having to lower myself to your level.

You're a liar.

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=4386456#post4386456


Emphasis mine.

They broke nothing in the EULA.

They use TS because it is better quality, more stable and can record things. This was a bog standard bonus room.

Well considering his level of agitation in the recording, I'd be quite worried if I was Erotica1.

No CCP has not made a formal reply, and they won't. They will make a decision and the only parties that will know what happens are the ones involved.

As should have been the case from the get go. If Sohkar was put off he could have gone to CCP. This thread is entirely a product of Ripard Teg instigating a witch hunt against someone he has personal disdain for. Simply reading his blog on the subject will tell you he is unbiased in his position on this and has already taken it upon himself as a representative of CCP to call Erotica 1 out, and label him with a bunch of slanderous labels.

CCP will only discuss this with Erotica, and perhaps Sohkar, but I doubt even Sohkar will be privy to the discussion with CCP as Erotica 1 is the only on that needs learn of any CCP decision.

Riptar Teg for CSM!!!! at the expense of Sohkar in a orange jumpsuit.

Oh btw why is it that

LUMINOUS SPIRIT

and

Salvos Rhoska

both stop posting at the same time? I wonder could they be the same person???

RIPTAR TEG FOR CSM!!!! at the expense of SOHKAR's family and Sohkar's jail time.


Death Threats = Jail Time.

Ripard Teg should be banned for harassing both Erotica 1 and Sohkar for personal gain by increasing net traffic to his blog.

As a CSM he is way out of line. He is a representative of CCP and has taken an internal matter of CCP's and put it on public display, and continues to update it even after CCP has said they are investigating the matter internally.

This clear harassment is in direct violation of not only CCPs EULA, but also many international Harassment Laws. As a CSM member, and representative of CCP, Ripard is way out of line.

your logic is quite sound sir.

We as EVE community must say NO to the likes of E1 and Co.

We dont tolerate pedophiles, rapists, terrorists, drug dealers, online predators in our communities.
We must not tolerate them and their likes here.

E1 and Co must go.

It doesn't surprise me that a pubbie scrub like yourself would support Riptard. Keep supporting racism bro, you'll get it one day.

One thing you didn't address Ripard is what you believe should happen in response to the actions and behaviour of the victim of the scam in this particular case.

Ban one side, but what about the other side here?

Says the pet.

We had a post earlier by E1 stating that a "DJ" was "blackmailing" him over personal info that "DJ" "dug" up on him. I can't be bothered to find it, but it seems to corroborate what the Goons are saying.

Is there any evidence that Erotica 1 was the person who asked for the client to do any of that? I see a "we" in one of those quotes.

And Erotica 1 saying he didn't ask for the pictures...

...so. Any proof?

I'm guessing no, cuz Goon.

Hi everyone,

I've been staying out of this thread partially because I've already given my opinions on this matter on my blog, partially to let players hash it out without it becoming about me, and partially because I have a damn hard time following EVE-O forum threads because of the way the software is designed.

I do have to say that I'm utterly stunned at the size of this thread. Without realizing it, I've clearly tapped into a vast river of player feeling about EVE Online culture and where that culture should go in the future. I don't shy away from that. I'm glad this conversation is happening. I also want to stress right out front that I am not anti-scam, anti-suicide gank, anti-non-consensual PvP, or anti-gray areas in EVE. I am for all of these things and anyone who tells you different is lying or wrong.

But there are limits. And Erotica 1 and his "agents" have crossed them.

I want to thank everyone who sent me e-mails or EVE mails in support of my blog post. My position on this matter remains unchanged. Erotica 1 and his "agents" have no place in the EVE Online community. This isn't about scamming people. Scamming people is fine and I have no problem with it. But in the bonus room, in ten minutes the scam is OVER. The scammers have won. It's the other 135 or more minutes that I object to. Why do they have to prolong this sick, reprehensible behavior to these lengths? Why do they have to do it to dozens or hundreds of people? Why do they have to train a small army of people to do it? When is enough enough?

I feel CCP should permaban Erotica 1 and seize all of his assets to send a clear and strong message that this kind of activity will simply not be tolerated in the EVE Online community. Then turn on his "agents": temp bans, asset seizures, and negative ISK balances there. The agents will be simple enough to track down: pull Erotica 1's wallet. Assume everyone who sends him a large amount of ISK is a victim. Investigate contracts created by those victims. Anyone to whom a contract is sent is a target to be investigated.

Again, this isn't about the scams. Scams are fine. This is about sick, reprehensible behavior and psychological harassment of CCP's customers. CCP has the right to protect their customers and decide what is and what is not acceptable behavior in New Eden. CCP: please make it clear for EVE's second decade that this kind of thing is simply unacceptable in our community.

That's all. Thanks again to everyone involved in this discussion! I'm glad it's taking place. I'll continue to try to keep up as best I can.

doubtful. You would get more out of watching congress for an afternoon.

If we assume the whole conversation happened ingame, what was broken in the EULA? Please show me the paragraph(s) explaining.

You may not submit any content to any chat room or other public forum within the Game that is harassing, abusive, threatening, harmful, obscene, libelous or defamatory, encourages conduct that could constitute a criminal offense or give rise to civil liabilities, or is unlawful in any other way, including without limitation the submission of content that infringes on a third-partyGÇÖs intellectual property rights.

Pretty sure that doesn't cover anything that happened.

Ban Ripard Teg his harassment of Erotica and Sohkar can not be denied! Remove him from the the CSM he is unfit to represent this community.

Good thank you Mike! I appreciate the support in keeping the CSM a respectful embodiment of the EVE community.

whoosh

Two people who don't know the definition of facetious

Unless those issues don't actually exist except in the minds of people who misinterpret and fail to analyse statistics. Sorry, but uninformed opinions can be dismissed without consideration. You have failed to produce a point worth considering, you are merely attempting emotional blackmail against your intellectual betters. Jealousy? Inferiority complex? I don't know what your problem is, I can only make guesses myself, but I suggest that you do have a problem, and it's yours alone to deal with.

Hey look its the slayer of mining barges, who wouldn't show his face after he declared war. wondered when your panzy ass would show up in this.

That you need one to realize people have died while playing video games, is like needing a citation to 'prove' the holocaust...

Whilst the rules are not definitive, they rarely are for a reason, there is certainly the room in them for CCP to declare if E1 was in wrong and punish him.

I welcome a civil debate between myself and Ripard on a neutral teamspeak moderated by Chribba.

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IN ALL SERIOUSLYNESS I WOULD LIKE TO SEE SOME FIGURES OF BOOSTED SUBSCRIPTION NUMBERS FROM CPP BECAUSE I TELL YOU THIS WITH A STRAIGHT EYE THIS PUBLICITY IS FANTASTIC FOR THEM.

Don't like it go find a community that doesn't tolerate it.

The VAST majority of people don't give a **** what you or anyone else does in this game or out of it.

A slim minority wants to white knight, and a slim minority wants to be toxic.

You two minorities can bicker all you want, as a representative of the Majority, I don't give a rats ass if you stay or go stop trying to change the game.

Where do you draw the line?

Making people sing songs is bad? (Erotica 1)
Telling a kid to kill himself is Ok? (Mittani)
Cursing on TS is bad? (Sohkar)
Disclosing personal information on people you have stalked through the internet is OK? (Digi)

Ya I can totally see how that wouldn't be abused.

Let me just type up a blog about this guy I don't like, and get all my friends to dislike him too. Then Ill ask that those friends get their friends to dislike him too. Maybe one of them will write a thread on ~Popular Game~ about that player and we can all complain about him.

Now he has a red gamer card, and I have won in my vendetta against him.

I was there. It WAS explained to you. However, You in your infinite and all knowing wisdom, would not allow anyone to speak. You merely came in with a legalzoom.com law degree using a bunch of fancy words to try and make the rest of us seem not as intelligent as you THINK that you are. In fact, multiple times the same thing would be said and when you were proven to have no leg to stand on you would quickly backtrack. Using circular reasoning (a lot of it I might add) was your modus operandi.

You failed to grasp simple concepts. Ultimately there are only three steps to the BR. Read, Sing, Pod. The fact that it takes several hours notwithstanding, it is a simple task. But like any gameshow, the contestant risks all for the big payout.

I would wager that 99 percent of you havent even bothered LISTENING to the recording in its entirety. You have merely ridden the wave of hate. Go and listen to it. It is HILARIOUS when the dude flips ****.

People don't agree with me, the conversation now sucks!

Go find a different game that caters to your Candy Land Morality.

Even if you can never ever win (which is demonstrably false, others have won before)... even in that worst case scenario, it would only mean that the bonus room is a scam.

And scams are not just within the rules of EVE, but a deliberate intended feature.

Such as wishing physical harm on Erotica 1? Or are you over that phase of the temper tantrum?

[We went over this yesterday before you left the forum in a huff. Remember you were going to tattletale on me, then never posted again?

Possibly, but probably a lot with just a couple of posts.

With some posters approaching almost 400 posts and the average per poster being about 14 per author, there must be a large number that have many fewer than 14 posts:

http://eve-search.com/stats/thread/332182-1

None of this would be a problem if there was an in game method of "payback" for scammers. As is, they never undock and no amount of chest beating or forum posting will ever "punish" them. Obviously this is a particularly sadistic addition to scamming but most people would be fine with it if they could blow up a bunch of Erotica1's assets against his will.

While I think this whole thing is pretty revolting, I won't lose sleep if no one gets banned. On the other hand I also wouldn't lose sleep if people do.

[So really, the people posting in this thread don't even represent 0.5% of the EVE population.

[Jeez dude you have as many posts as the next 3 people combined. How much do you have invested in this? Let me guess around 4B in assets and 2 hours of your life?

Its a small amount of vested individuals running a huge amount of damage control and interference vs a much larger dissenting population. If there where not so many people against what is happening in the Bonus Room, that wouldnt be necessary

How do you account for the people who win the Bonus Round?

Why should they give away the secrets to the game.

I am not mad. Just extremely disappointed in the supreme stupidity of yourself and the people that are blindly listening to you.

[Sure there is. You simply must have faith in the code and not let greed rob you of that faith.

Stay in the light and the blessing of St Olga of Kiev will be upon you.

Poor Dopey. Always the last to catch on. No doubt your associates mock you behind your back and will awox you oncenyouve finally got something worth taking.

Good comment is good....



As a side note.... Has anyone considered what the original guy thinks of all this attention? How the entirety of the community is now using him as a pawn? (Just a thought)

It's the only way to get the story out.

What ruined CCP's reputation (if at all) was the Jester Trek article being picked up and spread around the MMO community. An article that tonight we found was entirely baseless in its positions. Sohkar has gone on the record saying as much. He has also stated that he doesn't appreciate the article Ripard wrote, nor does he appreciate this 300 page thread about it.

Sohkar mentioned that he got over the loss of his assets already, he got back on his feet made some ISK and was happy and content playing with his corpmates and doing whatever it is he does within this game, and this all changed once Ripard took it upon himself, without Sohkars permission, to make a big old article about how awful Sohkars experience was, an article that went softly viral through the MMO community.

Erotica 1 and scamming didn't tarnish CCP's reputation, Ripard Tegs completely off base article did that. An article he had absolutely no business writing at all.

Except NOBODY was harmed.

+1

At this point, I don't give a rat's ass what his ulterior motive was. He needs to be taken to task on this one.

As previously stated, Harrassment, bullying and humiliation is accepted.... what is next? How far is CCP willing to let this go for?

i just got off the TS with erotica 1 and i did this to try to put a end to all this stuff people are putting out there and get how i felt about everything. I think all you people need to drop it. the "bonus room" happened over a month ago. Ask yourself why is it now just coming out now? if it wasnt for the article written about it no one would know or care.